Mille feuilles




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May 2009



I've had reason to attend various occasions recently that have thrown me together (for the first time in some time) with several new people in a social context. Although I'm required to engage professionally with new people all the time and to establish rapport quickly, and am at ease with doing it, I am really, really uncomfortable with small talk in social situations. Always have been.


Not that I have any trouble talking about small or insignificant things, sometimes at length. Oh no. The content of many of my blog entries and the fact that I could discuss, for ages, the qualities of the perfect handbag or pair of shoes, the ideal configuration for packing a small suitcase, or the relative merits of biscuits in sub-categories of with-chocolate or without, are all testament to this. No, what I mean is the conventional small talk that passes for normal when first meeting someone, even in those situations that are meant to be social and, one would therefore assume, less formal and formulaic and more fun?


One of the questions I hate most being asked when meeting people socially for the first time is "what do you do?". When by this they mean, "what is your job?", "what do you do for a living?", "what field, role, level of ambition, success achieved, salary bracket, can I assign to you and what can I infer from those about who you are?". 


What they are really asking is "how can I begin to define you?", which is not what I have the problem with, because we all have to begin building our picture of someone new somewhere. But why is this invariably the first thing that people ask? After talking about the weather of course. 


And it's not even that I mind talking about what I do for a living per se. I do think it's possible to get a feel for who a person is by considering their profession and having a conversation about it. But it's only one tiny aspect of who we are and, unless we share a common interest in it or it's especially unusual, although not uninteresting, it's often one of the least interesting things about us. My problem lies with how that becomes THE defining thing that shapes and is taken away from that encounter. I don't mind that they go away knowing very little about me, because in the ten minutes one might have a conversation with someone new in these situations, there's a limit to what one can learn about them. But why, of all the things someone might choose to walk away knowing about me, is their choice to know what job I do? 


And equally frustrating is that I'm apparently expected to respond in kind and ask about what they do too. I honestly couldn't care less at that point what they do for a living. In the nicest possible way. Eventually I will probably be interested in knowing what it is that someone does as their day job and I'll be delighted to discover that they fit solar heating, or create fine art, or are raising two gorgeous children, or do open heart surgery. But as supplementary information to the fact that I've already established that they love margaritas, or are able to wiggle their ears in a clockwise direction, or like to dip their fingers in paint and then onto a canvas, or love the smell of summer rain on a hot tarmac. Those are the sort of qualities, skills or interests I'm seeking in people I might like to eventually call friends. I don't want to present my personal ideology or a full history in our first encounter. And I don't expect them to share theirs. I'm happy to keep it light and "small" if that's more comfortable. But how am I going to decide if I'd like to get to know someone better if all I first learn about them is what they do for a living? And how do they decide that about me?


"What do you do?" 


I am always so tempted to answer the question with a question and sometimes, if I'm feeling contrary, I do. And then another, and then another. I'm far more comfortable and interested in hearing about them than talking about me anyway. And they then leave knowing only that I was a good listener with a slightly weird name. Or sometimes I'd like to say something completely random like, "What do I do? I eat spaghetti with my left hand" and leave it at that. At other times I have tried to respond without labelling what I do and have had people look at me like I misunderstood and then ask me again, more slowly and perhaps a little more loudly, "yes. but. what. do. you. DO?". I can never bring myself to be rude. And I'm all for some of the social niceties but this isn't one of them. I don't think harm is intended by asking the question. I think it's often just a thoughtless, pointless (dare I say lazy?) way to open a conversation.


It's so all pervasive too. I understand that for some people how I earn my rent might in fact be the most interesting thing about me. But for everyone? Really? And if they're trying to establish some rapport with me, how do they feel this will do it? I'd be so much more engaged and delighted if someone asked me, "What do you love?" or, "What an interesting nail polish colour you have on your toes. What do purple toes tell me about you?" or, "If you won the lottery, what would you do with your winnings?" or, "What's your favourite way to spend five minutes on your own?". Or even if they modified the old chestnut slightly to, "What do you do when you aren't doing what you do for a living?". Or, "Why do you do what you do for a living, whatever that is?". These are the sorts of things I'd be more interested in knowing about them too but I know I'm considered a bit odd for doing so, or too direct, so I find that I refrain in most cases from asking, and just escape as quickly as I can.


Okay, I know. It's unlikely that this convention is going to change any time soon. Or that I'm going to entirely avoid these situations unless I become a hermit (sooooo tempting some days). So what do I do? How do I make this bearable? How do I answer this question?  And what is it I really want to convey about myself in those first ten minutes? How can I not answer the question but still answer the question? Because I do many things that I'd be happy to share...


  • I do love to write, but I'm not a writer.
  • I do love to paint, but I'm not a painter.
  • I do love to take photographs, but I'm not a photographer.
  • I do love to travel, but I more often stay at home.
  • I do love to learn, but the more I learn, the less I know.
  • I do love the rural seashore, but I live in a city.
  • I do make a point of being punctual, but I don't wear a watch.
  • I do read great literature, but I also love a girlie magazine.
  • I do believe I have an artistic spirit, but I'm not an artist.

And so on.

I will tell them what I do for a living if they really want to know, but I don't understand why of all the possible questions they might formulate they would ask that one, right after the ubiquitous, "Lovely weather we've been having, isn't it?".

Or am I just weird?

Happy Friday Lovelies!


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18 comments:

lisa said...

I am SO going to start answering the question this way: I don't lick ice cream, I bite it.

(although my job answer usually slows friendly conversation and people start to migrate away.)

Beverly Ash Gilbert said...

You have me in serious giggles! I have always hated that question!

When I was younger and meeting guys - telling them I was a materials engineer working on a top secret aerospace project was a sure way to watch them spin around and run... so I'd lie and say I was a teacher. But then I would be caught in a fuddle if our conversation stretched to a date.

Now I fumble with 'I'm a mom, I teach jewelry classes' - sounds so 'crafty'and unprofessional (which obviously bothers me because I fumble)...

I am SO much more interested in finding out they love smelling rain, what kind of chocolate they like, what books they read over and over again...

I remember reading once that the human brain is designed to assimilate information into categories which is why we stereotype and group people and probably why we ask them really boring questions.

I'll remember to ask the next guy what color his/her toe nails are...

aimee said...

yes, yes, yes to this entire post! we must be cut from the same cloth, kendalee!

Denise Kiggan said...

Yes! I must say my heart also sinks at the question of what I do! Especially at the moment, as it's hard to explain what I do. "I make cushion covers out of old jerseys and things like that...and I have these plans for a whole new Freshly Found...and I write a blog.... and I am a wife and a mom!"
I belong to a Business ladies Breakfast group and whenever we get a new member, I listen with interest to how I am introduced! "This is Denise and she is very interesting!?!"

Anonymous said...

YES!!! This post could have actually been written by me - it rings so true. All except the not wearing a watch bit. I dont wear one at home, but have to have one on when leaving the house.

Anonymous said...

I loved reading this post! You're not weird at all - I feel exactly the same way (as does everyone else here, judging from the above comments :). I hate the question so much that I NEVER ask it of other people… sadly, however, this is taken by many to mean that I am not interested in them.
Your post got me to thinking about new friends I've made in recent years and I realise that all those relationships started with neither of us asking the "what do you do (for a living)?" question. We found that out about each other weeks after the initial meeting and after a friendship had already been formed. That's quite telling…

My Castle in Spain said...

spot on Kendalee !
i enjoyed very much reading your post. It reminds me that yesterday, i went for tea at a friend's home and met new people. One girl was talking about her recent move to the Netherlands. She described her life over there and I felt the impulse of asking her, yes, the fatal question : and what do you do ? and realized may be it was a bit too inquisitive so i refrained myself but did ask it to my friend when the girl in question left. So, i guess, we always have this curiosity !
And of course, this kind of social "metrics" is definitely unpleasant when the person who asks the question is trying to assess your annual income and deems you interesting enough or the opposite...
Yes, dear....do talk about your artistic penchants after talking about the weather..
:-)

Renee said...

Kendalee my family and I had this discussion a few years ago about the exact same topic.

I think it is a way for people to place you in a slot. Where do you fit in the subset of the world? Are you at the top? The bottom? Are you above or below?

I do answer that I do many things but mostly I enjoy many things. I know that is not what they want at all, but I say it anyway.

I personnal think especially in this economy that it is rude to ask someone.

What if they are unemployed. Then they feel like crap.

Love Renee xoxo

Sandy K. said...

This is one of those loaded questions, and sometimes I think it's just what people think they have to ask. I am getting annoyed, myself, because someone will say "So, you're retired." My short answer is "No, I retired from public school education.' I do so many things and some of them provide income. But what does it matter? We are who we are and our lives are interesting and full in individual and unique ways. Maybe we should make up something interesting...and that would stop them in their tracks? Hmmm....

I find I seldom ask anyone what they "do." I used to think it was because I'm not curious. But that's not it. I think it's that we are so much more than the job we do.

Great ramblings today!

ELK said...

your list at the end of the post is so special! i never ask that question as I know how awkward it can be...i usually ask about music or pets or travel...

Dagmar said...

Oh Kendalee, I did feel so much the same when I was a staying home mom. Whenever someone asked me what I DID, my answer would be (after a couple of akward situations by telling I was a mom, people do think you have notting else to talk about than diapers) that I was a Manager at HomeVision. At the end they would figure out I was a mom working hard hours to raise my two kids and that there was never ever a dull moment. But the feeling they gave me by telling Oh you don't have a 'job' was awful.

I do have to appologize of asking you about your job. Clearly it realy only was an interest because you are so very gifted (and I admire you for your words, pics and all there is too you) I wondered about you having the most delicious job in the whole wide world. I'll just keep wondering which is pretty okay with me.

Thanks for putting it out like this.

kendalee said...

I knew there was a reason why I loved this land of blog! It's full of lovely people. Thank you for your great comments - I feel completely vindicated!

Dagmar, thank you for your sweet comment. Please don't apologise! I was not aiming this at this at you or anyone else I've met via blogging who has asked me what I do! I think that by the time people here ask me, they already know quite a lot about me - possibly more than they wanted to in some cases :) - because we've shared bits of ourselves through our blogs and have connected and are becoming friends... it is just a natural extension of our conversation at that point and shows genuine curiosity, which is lovely.

I'm only talking about those horrible social events where people are really just going through the motions of conversation and have no real interest beyond putting me in a box that has my job title etc. on the lid.

♥ K

LenoreNeverM♡re said...

oooh...I can relate to this! I'm going to attend a function this weekend & these are some of my typical social anxieties...the worst is "so...what do you do?"

Well, I am still 'work in progress'... ~XO*

Sarah said...

No you are not! You have said, in your eloquent way, exactly how I feel! I always get stuck completely when meeting new people. I have this feeling that I am coming across as the most boring person in the world and have no idea how to let them see the real me, or how to get to the real them. You have given me some ideas thanks! Loved all the comments too!

ArtPropelled said...

I'm enjoying this post! My daughter was at a work related function and a chap came up to her and asked her what she wanted to be when she was 8. The evening was far more interesting from that moment on.
So many times I've met someone and only months later I'm told by someone else, oh so&so loves art or is writing a book or travels regularly to India for spirital retreats...and yet we never divulged that interesting side of ourselves to each other. If only we had...it would have made the evening far more endurable.
Maybe I will start the conversation with some of your suggestions next time I am seated next to a new face at a dinner party. At one stage I did ask the question "What do you do for fun?" a few times but that didn't get the response I was hoping for. (lewd laughter...change of subject)

Heidi said...

I loved this post. Really loved it. I can completely relate to this. Sometimes it's exhausting to answer this question. I try to avoid it, like you, and ask other questions or go off on a tangent about something that has nothing to do with jobs or careers or roles. You are so right in that it defines such a small part of us.

I loved how you described yourself at the end too.

Unknown said...

if this was a sermon kendalee i would have ended it with a very very very loud amen sista! preach on would ya! : )

i could not agree more with you. i do not mind giving the answer due to the fact that i love what i do so much BUT it does puzzle me that people have such a limited definition scope of what makes a man or woman!

i love your ways of changing the conversation and then diverting it in a new direction. i would say that these mechanisms do the trick just fine. i might apply a few myself.

loving this and you all the more...

c

Chris said...

I had wanted to comment on this last week when you first stopped by my blogs/website....

I totally agree with how you feel, but especially when I was proofreading for a living, which was NOT my chosen profession. I went to art school and graduated with a BFA in Illustration, but never got to do that full time. So I always felt like my job totally misrepresented me, and I always felt like the other artists at work (lucky dogs!) thought I was just some proofreader who didn't "get" them and their vision and creativity and whatnot. So when I was asked what I did for a living, I would answer "Proofreading full time to pay the bills, and illustration freelance, which is what I REALLY want to do", all in one breath. By then the person was practically comatose in their boredom, and I just seemed desperate and like a showoff or something.

So yes, I think people are just like books, that you cannot judge them by their "cover" or jobs, and often times people do radically different things for their "day jobs" versus what they do in their spare time. Not to mention hobbies, interests, dreams and desires, dabblings and such.... And if you think you can just scratch the surface of someone and think there's nothing more to them, then that's sad. But society frowns upon those who babble incessantly, like me :)

Anyhow, great thought-provoking post. I just couldn't find time to fully answer or add my two cents to this discussion.... :)